1.
Pachaikili Muthucharam - Karu Karu Vizhigalal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMun7ymNmr8
Westlife - Hit you with the real thing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS_2nvnA-Gw
2.
Unnale Unnale - June Pona - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDo_9_sEpd4
Blue - All Rise - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HhXcrJMZXY
3.
Anniyan - Stranger in Black - Sorry, no link available !
Passion of Christ - Resurrection - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6qdqqjv8gQ (0:55 onwards)
4.
Vaaranam Aayiram - Adiye Kolludhe - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNzOZdk5Z0A
AC/DC - Love Bomb - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Komfvllxgzc
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Vaaranam Aayiram - Mundhinam - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EQ_8xi6ZuU
George Micheal - Faith - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viPWb3ieH6o (0:45 onwards)
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Vaaranam Aayiram - Oh Shanti Shanti - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt_lIpnHrXk
Red Hot Chilli Peppers - Other side - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaeF00sqW34
There are quite a few more such blatant and direct lifts which our man has done. The fact that I have listed three songs from his latest movie show how bad it has become. Almost every music director will have such a list of accusations thrown on his face (including Rahman) but then most of them can be shrugged off as inspiration or a very distant link/coincidence. I haven't seen any music director who started off so promisingly come down to this level or copying directly. Sure, Deva and Hindi music director Pritam have copied loads too but then they have never started off as a promising talent source.
In cricket, when we see players (who were legends once) start playing badly, we demand their resignation. I feel music directors are no different. When they start composing utterly pathetic tunes or worse yet, copying blatantly from other sources, movie audience should demand their resignation. Such plagiarism in music shouldn't be tolerated. And when I recall the conversation I had in my St.Joseph's classroom with a bunch of enthusiastic Harris fans (back in 2003) who rained praise on him and declared him the ultimate challenge to Rahman, all I can do is laugh !! The immediate image that comes to mind is the Energizer battery ad where all other motorized bunnies fall flat on their face while the Energizer bunny drums and rolls on !
16 comments:
What do you mean by "promising talent source" - it just means that you have not found out where Harris Jeyaraj's earlier "inspirations" came from.
Ok Im too lazy to paste you tube links, some examples of Rahmans not so original compositions
1) Enenrum Punnaigai (alaipayutey) & Get down (backstreet boys)
2)puthuvellai mazhai (roja) & glory box (portishead)
3)telephone manipol (india) & all that she wants ( ace of base)
4)shakalaka baby (mudhalvan) & a song by korn
only diff is he isnt as blatant as harris or as boneheaded as deva
Hmmm...Seems like you have put as much effort into making look Harris bad as you have put into showering praise on Rehman.Sadly , I cant comment much as I have sort of become detached from the music world.Music and cricket are 2 different things, which in my opinion shouldnt be mixed.If you dont like a music director or his songs, then dont listen to them, As simple as that. Nobody has the right to deny the other person to listen to creations of his/her fav MD. Moreover, to be frank I dont think plagiarism is not that serious a issue.How many people in TamilNadu would have listened to all the foreign pop groups that you have mentioned. Quite a lot maybe, but def not more than 40-50%.If a MD feels that it is good music that the people deserves to hear, then I guess he is justified in reproducing it according to the people taste's. Off course, they should be careful abt copyright or any other similar issues. btw, I would like to add 1 more to Haritha's list. I feel that I have heard the opening tune of the taxi song somewhere else, possibly the Black Eyed peas. anyway, I am not really biased against ARR to actually dig into all the music records in history to prove a point. I am not biased against any MD for that matter.
Anyway, i wish u could come up with some posts on which i could agree with u. Keep it coming.
hey hey - i guess being part of the so-called harris fanatics ( cc to u)-that i do reply! so here goes
* - theres something fundamentally wrong( if i may say so) and also totally mistaken - i/we the so called u know wat group - are just music lovers :) - to elaborate - i don think ul ever find anyone of us or anyone else for that matter who DOES NOT LIKE ARR - i mean come on man the guy is just gives amazing music - and continues to do so!
* at the same time - we have NOTHING against any other md as raki says. good music is good music - doesn matter if its arr or harris or deva( seri seri etho 1/100 probability da).
* harris plagiarises? ok so be it. period! arr does it? ok cool no issues - everyone doesit? again doesn matter - cos end of the day - wherever they copy from - it surely wont be the same lyrics!! same flow or same replica - there will be some tweaking atleast right - to "suit" our tastes! - we like that - give a dam (or a hell yeah :) ) to the means and just look at the ends - the finished product is good man.
* taking it one step further consider this. i don listen to english songs at all! nothing! just tamil and hindi. and im supposed to be a city bred! - that being the case it doesn matter to me if mj or black eyed piece or madonna or justin timberlake composed something and one of our md's flicked it! i will be listening to the SONG for wat it is - that version - and i/we like it! it just sounds bloody good man who the hell cares who originally composed it!
* now consider the vast majority of tamil movie goers and music listeners - who are more from the villages and don even know of a world beyond their district/city. for them an mj=madonna=britney=justin=nothing!!!! only arr or harris matter - in most cases they don even know who the md is - just the song matters - so a kuthu paatu by arr or harris will be equally well recieved!
* the whole point is - everyone loves ar true - or noone hates him surely! but suresh hates harris :) he is the guy who didnt like kaakha kaakha. can i say that every time harris comes up with a rockin superhit album - suresh feels that he is becoming a competitor to arr and therefore feels obliged to come up with a damaging review? or show that it is being plagiarised? is that preposterous suresh? if it si then your version of the harris bashing is equally preposterous! if it is not - well cool!
* romba mokke potutena? i was jobless in office da so... he he
but all said and done - u like arr - stick to him - if u don like harris - don buy/listen to his songs. if u do - don damage it so much IN COMPARISON TO ANYONE ELSE- if u don like it sure damage the SONG not the md or any other facet of the person or for gods sake don compare with anyone
* dei machi - tell u wat these kind of topics are super da - raki will give a super reply - at times i will also enter - it feels nice to get back and discus those same topics we differed on :)]
keep them coming da - feels good. and oh ya lemme sign off with tadada - tadata tadadda - adiye kolluthe - wink
Rakesh and Varun,
Please dont justify copying songs man...
If a MD is so smitten by a different tune, get permission and re-tune it or whataever crap he wants to do. Btw, it has been done before : Pretty Woman from Kal Ho Naa Ho was legally remade from an English version.. Harris puts his name as the composer which is what pisses me off..
Varun, I have no reason to come up with a damaging review for Harris cos I dont consider him competition to Rahman as you mention. I strongly consider Yuvan Shankar Raja a better opponent to Rahman in the ring!
Ech, the list of songs you put in the list at best have a slight similarity.. Btw, a lift of "Get Down" is "O Nenje" from Mugavari and Endrendrum is nowhere close.. A slight similarity CAN be a coincidence but what I was talking about was blatant lifts..
I never justified copying songs. I am jus telling that its an issue that the audience neednt be concerned with.
U r bias against HJ is very glaring in the previous comment. How can u say that 'Get down' and 'O nenje' is a co-incidence. Backstreet boys are def more famous or atleast one of the most famous bands to any person who has the slightest interest in English music. The so called blatant lifts that u r talking abt was not at all noticed by me.But the O Nenje was hitting me right in the face. Now plz dont come up with a statement that ARR didnt even know the Backstreet boys existed, which is y it was a co-incidence. In fact even now I dont know if they are blatant lifts as I am yet to hear to the links that u had posted. I am just taking u r word for now.
As for u r statement that a MD has to get permission and all, thats his headache,which I as a end user neednt be concerned with. I agree with Varun , I really dont give a damn as to where a music originates from as long as i like it, and if I dont, I jus ignore it like I have done with many of ARRs songs instead of trying to degrade him or his style.
If I agree that Rahman had lifted then its a different issue.. But I never did.. Rahman definitely know about Backstreet boys but please do me a favor and listen to "endredrum" and "get down" and tell me if u see similarities. I have heard both songs 100s of times..
Also, as an end user you might not care but then a crime is a crime. So would you care if wars/murders take place in other states/countries? They dont affect you anyway.. right ?? Your logic is totally flawed man.. To me, I want good music from all MDs but if they are composing something, I want it to be original.
rahman has composed 100s of original super hit songs...he doesn't actually need to copy from backstreet etc...he can simply come up with another tune!
hey! who is justifying songs being coied here? am not - am only saying it doesn matter as much as it is being made out to be
suresh - answer this - there are so many other md's out there who copy - literally lift cut copy paste - so many - and u hardly talk about them! your fixation has been on harris allll along which is the issue here! all we are saying is - deva,sreekanth deva, yuvan - oh my god he is soooo much a plagiarist himself!!, even the youngest kid on the block prakash kumar!!!. u hardly talk about them! but u make it a point to post links, damage , post more links damage more - and post sooooooooo much about harris! u either do the same to other md or tone down on harris is the only point! how many linka have u posted to songs plagiarised by other md's?
and the anology u drew for a response to rakesh jus doesn make any sense machi! its like saying if india's cricket team is good then their football team is also good!
just go chill n easy on harris man - all said and done - he might not be competition to arr - arguably again - but hey arr hardly makes a lot of tamil music of late... so the harris mania if i can call it that - has the following usp
classy, gotta accept that mate.
city subjects - so audience identify
peppy songs and a lot of emphasis on melody ( we know arr makes amazing melody - but the no has come down PER ALBUM right? vis a vis harris? )
so point is the prev para is arguable - but your singling out harris for preferential damage is a) unfair b) indicating that subconcsiously u wanna damaga his songs and take off a little sheen as u somehow feel he is a real threat!
It doesnt really matter if u agree if ARR lifts songs or not, that is not the issue. If at all I am goin to compare songs , I might as well compare all the links available to me rite now, rather than singling one out and judging from my schedule, u will have to wait for a long time. Besides, I dont understand the difference between inspiration and copying.To me it sounds like 2 different words to describe the same thing. Also, I dont understand which part of my logic is flawed...
I seriously think that u need to get u r priorities right. copying songs is nowhere near wars, murders or any other crimes.We are faced with so many dangers around us like the wars , murders,crimes etc that u have mentioned and at the end of the day if we are able to calm our mind by listening to nice songs(whether its copied or not), then I dont understand what u r problem is.To me the kind of copying that u r refering to is nothing but simly re-using and presenting it in a form that will reach more audience.The kind of philosopy that u r adopting right now is like saying that cooking with fire should be stopped jus because fire was first used to give warmth and light when it was discovered.
Btw, answer this question honestly. There are 2 MDs and they are not ARR,HJ,YSR,SD etc. MD 1 composes really nice songs, audience love it but some of them, say 50% of them are inspired/copied from other sources. MD 2 on the other hand composes all 100% ISO certified original songs, but the audience never give it more than a couple of extra hearings. Which MD would you prefer to stay on ???
For some reason, we don't seem to agree with each other's logic and I don't want to spam my comments page..
Raki, lets continue our conversation thro email..
Varun, please do read my argument fully before replying.. Don't argue one-sided without listening to me.. My blog says "Almost every music director will have such a list of accusations thrown on his face (including Rahman).. I haven't seen any music director who started off so promisingly come down to this level or copying directly". Hope that answers you. I resort not to retort to any of your other comments plainly because I believe you just want to point out that I am after Harris when I am saying I'm not. Thanks for the interesting argument though..
No issues da...This is one of those topics which will never get resolved no matter how much and how long we argue.Your views doesnt really hurt me, since I am neither anti-HJ or pro-ARR. Moreover I am sure even my views wouldnt be hurting you that much, since I have never said that ARR is a bad MD.I agree that he is one of the greats to have roamed this planet.I feel it would be best if we stop here, since I am not really that passionate abt music.But u on the other hand are so passionate that I really dont want to break the bubble.Neither will I gain anything by proving my point nor will I lose anything by getting your point. Let us all be happy with our viewpoints and this really isnt a burning issue that we need to spend our time on. :-)
Well said!
Case closed (but yet unresolved). Let's bring this up a few years down the line.. Will be an interesting topic even then !
Sure da... But what's disappointing is none of the so called HJ fans have replied, which unfortunalety is proving the points that u have made.
machi - i aint arguing one side - i still stand by wat i said - its just that u choose to ignore selectively - i repeat - just one line about "promising guys who came down to this level" - compared with an entire post damaging harris is too muchh da - am only saying this - don compare md's jus cos they lift or don lift- or for that matter don even compare on any basis!! cos end of day everyone has favorites - but good music is good music!
and im not saying without reason that u are after harris - just ask any disintersested party to go thru ur posts - it really does look that way - plus ive been privy to ur discussions in coll on the same topic :) sambu n others witness - so that probably clouds my thinking :)
so case closed eh? hmmm was a real interesting one wasn it -come on out with more such "issues" - and daai if thr is a mail with raki on taking this further - i wanna be on cc!
rahman songs don't sound boring after few years...
HJ's sound so so after few months :)
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